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Katie: Hiya and welcome to the Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and this episode is all about breast well being, breast points, hormones and discovering steadiness. And I’m right here with my buddy Magdalena, who’s the founding father of Hormones Stability and of Wellena merchandise, that are dietary supplements made by girls for ladies, and her on-line platform and merchandise are devoted to serving to girls steadiness hormones naturally. And I’ve recognized her for years. I’ve had her on earlier than, and I’ll hyperlink to her first episode within the present notes as nicely.
However I at all times be taught loads from Magdalena, and this one is a subject I’ve not coated on the podcast till now, particularly targeted on breast well being. And he or she offers some very sensible ways in which we are able to help breast well being and explains how our breast well being is definitely a window into different features of well being as nicely, particularly our hormones, and what sure points can point out the way to hold a proactive pulse on breast well being and hormone well being typically, and a lot extra. We discuss every little thing from benign lumps and fibrocystic breasts to ache and swelling and extra extreme points. She talks loads about estrogen dominance, which was the subject of our first episode. She talks about oils and herbs that you should use in Lymphatic therapeutic massage at residence, and different methods to help the Lymphatic system to maintain breasts wholesome, and addressing the basis explanation for points together with estrogen dominance. We discuss weight-reduction plan and dietary supplements that may be useful, how hydration and lymphatic operate come into play, and a lot extra. She shares some sensible ideas and her personal expertise, in addition to her medical expertise on this actually fact-packed episode. So, with none additional wait, let’s be a part of Magdalena. Magdalena, welcome. Thanks for being right here.
Magdalena – Thanks. And this time round we’re doing video, in order that’s slightly bit new, however thrilling.
Katie – It’s enjoyable to get to see your face and we’re going to speak in depth about breast well being and hormones at the moment. However earlier than we do, I’ve a enjoyable reality about you. The primary international language you spoke was Danish, and I simply need to hear about this as a result of that’s fascinating.
Magdalena – My father was a diplomat and his first project was Denmark. And we left there after I was 5 years previous. And so I grew up there aged 5 to 10. The very first faculty I went to was truly a Russian faculty as a result of we have been a part of a Communist block. So that they compelled us to go to a Russian faculty. However then after I discovered that I wasn’t six years previous, I used to be solely 5, they stated, I’ve to return residence. And my mom didn’t need to have me at residence. So that they went to a Danish faculty, a public faculty, and it was type of revolutionary as a result of a variety of, , you have been type of supporting the Huge Brother, which was Russian faculties. And so my dad and mom would take into account type of rebellious to try this. However, yeah, I used to be like the one kiddo coming from working like an mental household, as a result of the remainder of it have been immigrants that Denmark was taking. It was very gracious to take a variety of immigrants from Afghanistan and India and from Turkey, and so it was a reasonably tough begin. Nevertheless it was additionally like, all of us studying the language and that was how I realized that as the primary international language. In actual fact, after I get type of drained or I suppose if I’m slightly bit tipsy, folks ask me if I’m German or South African. So I believe it’s the Danish affect.
Katie: That’s so humorous and doubtless nice for you life lengthy, as a result of I’ve heard in case you be taught one other language earlier than, I believe like age eight or someplace in there, it kind of pre primes your mind to be higher at that type of stuff your entire life.
Magdalena: You’ll know extra about that than I do, proper? With multilingual youngsters, proper? Yeah.
Katie: Effectively, an space you might be undoubtedly additionally an knowledgeable in is all issues associated to girls’s well being and hormone well being and breast well being, which I’ve by no means talked about on this podcast and which is one thing that hasn’t been. I’ll admit tremendous high of thoughts to me up till this level in my life. Simply because I didn’t actually give it some thought after I was youthful. However I do know it’s one thing to pay attention to and I need to be proactive about as I become older. So to begin off broad, I do know there’s most likely a variety of issues that match below the umbrella of breast points, so perhaps simply type of give us an summary of these and the way frequent this stuff are.
Magdalena: Yeah, certain. So our breasts are, to begin with, an enormous indication of what’s occurring in our general well being in girls, proper. So whether or not it’s hormonal adjustments, like a variety of girls, we begin realizing that our breasts are doubtlessly having a little bit of an issue when it’s correlated with our intervals, proper? And in order that’s like one sort of hormonal adjustments or breast adjustments that occur due to hormonal adjustments. So we name it cyclical breast points, proper? After which you may have the non cyclical, which signifies that there are some girls who actually have well being points with their breast all through their cycle or girls who don’t have a cycle anymore may very well be going by way of a variety of breast adjustments as nicely.
So it’s tremendous frequent and it’s frequent to a degree the place we virtually dismiss it as saying it’s not an enormous deal, proper? That means you go and see a physician and also you get an examination and it’ll say nicely, you’re simply swelling. And despite the fact that your cup measurement goes from cup A to cup C in the midst of 4 days and your swollen and it’s a variety of ache and also you don’t need to be intimate and all that, they are going to say, nicely, that’s regular, proper? As a result of everyone else is experiencing it.
What I’ve realized through the years is that as now we have our cycles, there’s large adjustments that occur, proper. Our estrogen progesterone fluctuate, our FSH, LH, all of these hormones are fluctuating loads. And so it’s commonplace for us to have a change in weight and temper and meals cravings and even energetically how we present up, proper. Whether or not we’re open to issues or whether or not we need to type of simply conceal in our cave and do our personal issues, which is regular. There’s a little bit of a skinny line between what’s regular and what’s not regular. Proper. So the query is, can you are feeling any breast adjustments when along with your cycle? Completely. Is it regular to go from cup A to cup C in the midst of three or 4 days? And the reply isn’t any. Is it regular that it’s so swollen that your breast is so swollen that you do not need to be sexual with somebody? You possibly can’t do sports activities, you’re going to placed on a particular bra.
This, even girls who truly one in all our formulators, which is type of enjoyable to work along with her as a result of we have been experimenting with a variety of totally different oils and herbs along with her. She couldn’t placed on a bra in any respect, despite the fact that she’s cup measurement C, she’s C cup as a result of it’s simply so painful and limiting for her. So is that standard? Completely not. And it will probably destroy the standard of life, nevertheless it’s additionally a sign there’s one thing greater that’s happening. Proper. And that’s actually what we’re right here to speak about. It’s like your breast is simply one more symptom or signal that there’s a greater factor at play. And I’ll simply point out yet another factor. Is that one other factor that’s type of normalized by our typical allopathic docs is while you discover a lump in your breast, proper. And so it’s like, yeah, whether or not it’s your selections to do a mammogram otherwise you’re doing tomography, whether or not you’re doing a sonogram, they usually go nicely, and there’s a lump and it appears prefer it’s benign, and once more, it’s dismissed as being it’s not an enormous deal.
And as we now know, breast lumps are even these benign ones are indication of estrogen dominance that’s happening in a girl’s physique, which may then lead on to DNA harm that then can result in breast most cancers. Proper. So a variety of occasions that lump on the time when it’s discovered it’s not an enormous deal, however in case you proceed having lumps for a really very long time and as a transparent indication of estrogen dominance, that may result in extra severe situations like estrogenic most cancers. So each motive to essentially begin your breast and understanding what your breasts are telling you when it begins occurring, proper from the start.
Katie: Yeah, I believe that’s such an vital level. If that is even when it’s thought-about benign by conventional drugs, it’s nonetheless a great clue of one thing that’s occurring inside within the physique, one thing our physique is attempting to inform us. And I additionally suppose, to your level, that distinction between frequent and regular just isn’t made sufficient in conventional drugs. Simply because one thing occurs typically doesn’t imply that it’s, “regular”. And I’ve gotten that from docs within the thyroid area earlier than or after I had signs and I had simply had a child, I used to be advised, like, oh, that’s regular since you’ve had a child. And all these issues.
I believe I say this so typically on right here, however we’re every our personal major well being care supplier on the finish of the a day. Like, the duty lies with us. So anytime there’s one thing that may give us extra data on what’s happening in our physique that’s superior, even when it might be within the second, doesn’t really feel superior or it’s not a snug symptom, it’s nonetheless superior as a result of we’re getting information about what’s happening in our physique. And I do know for me, the one time I’ve had drastic adjustments in my breasts was after I began breastfeeding, they usually did go up a number of cup sizes in a day when my milk got here in. However that’s concerning the extent of me having private expertise with any type of fast adjustments. And it makes me curious what causes these points. I do know I hear increasingly from girls who’re experiencing issues like fibrocystic breast or lumps or ache and swelling, such as you talked about. What’s inflicting that?
Magdalena: Yeah. So it’s a number of components that play an enormous function right here. I believe the 2 foremost ones that we are able to title actually, is irritation and estrogen dominance. So let me discuss estrogen dominance first. Estrogen dominance is a situation the place you both have an excessive amount of estrogen as in comparison with progesterone or no matter estrogen that you’ve, the best way you’re breaking down that estrogen into clear and soiled estrogens is unfavorable. That means you’re producing too a lot of these soiled estrogens. Or for these of you who’re clinicians in right here, it is going to be issues just like the antagonistic metabolites of estrogen, proper?
And when that occurs, estrogen in extra is mainly very inflammatory. And so when a girl is estrogen dominant, a variety of occasions it’s not simply breasts, nevertheless it’s additionally simply general potential of losing a few pounds turns into an issue, particularly round our hips and thighs. That’s the place estrogen likes to deposit itself. After which there’s an entire host of different signs of estrogen dominance. And we did a podcast on that two or three years in the past when my guide got here out. I bear in mind you have been actually eager on wanting to speak about estrogen dominance and I thanks for that.
So estrogen is very inflammatory, however the different factor that occurs with the breast is that the very best variety of receptors within the physique for estrogen is an ovaries within the breast, proper? So naturally, when you may have an excessive amount of of that estrogen and it goes into your breast when you may have so many receptors and that estrogen just isn’t a clear estrogen, it’s a soiled type of estrogen, or like I stated, it’s not sufficient progesterone to offset it, it turns into extremely inflammatory. And so what occurs is within the breast, you may have lobules, you may have ducts, and people are like these canals. There’s a really wealthy lymphatic system within the breast which can come to it in only a second and that causes swelling. So mainly all these passages swell up, proper, with the presence of extra estrogen.
And that’s what sort of leads me to the second level, is that estrogen dominance causes the lymphatic system then to swell up within the breast as nicely. So consider the lymphatic system like a freeway for us to eliminate like little trash cans, driving round trash vans, driving across the physique, evacuating garbage or trash from our physique, proper? That’s what the lymphatic system general is for. And within the breast, now we have a variety of the lymphatic passages as nicely. So the swelling of that causes a variety of the water retention proper, within the breast. In order that’s when turn into actually heavy, actually swollen, actually massive.
So finally, these are the 2 foremost issues. And the third one is simply general irritation. For ladies who’re infected due to it doesn’t need to be a hormones. That may be way of life selections akin to hooked on caffeine, which can be low on magnesium, for instance, proper? That additionally causes inflammatory responses usually within the physique. And for some girls, as you at all times say, everyone seems to be slightly totally different, proper? And signs of irritation can manifest. One particular person places on weights and that an individual will get horrible complications and that particular person can’t sleep. For some girls, particularly, who’re extra inclined to estrogen dominance as nicely, irritation then manifests within the breast general. So, yeah, these are the main three issues. So irritation, estrogen dominance, and stagnation of the lymphatic system.
Katie: And I do know we’re going to get to go deep on the lymphatic facet in a minute. And I’ll be sure to hyperlink to our first podcast episode within the present notes. So in case you guys haven’t listened, extremely advocate that episode as nicely. And I do know we coated it in depth in that one, however are you able to simply briefly contact on if somebody is aware of they’ve estrogen dominance or now suspects that they do? What are a number of the ways in which we may help fight that? I do know, like, as an illustration, from our previous dialog, stress comes into play, magnesium comes into play. There’s loads that comes into play, however would simply be a fast overview of that.
Magdalena: Yeah. So let’s begin off with signs. Something from anybody who’s fighting horrible PMS, horrible intervals, very heavy intervals, scanty intervals, absent intervals, irregular intervals. All of that may be attributable to estrogen dominance. You then’re issues like reproductive organ well being, proper? So we talked about breast, but additionally fibroids, uterine polyps, the expansion of these. Endometriosis, is basically fueled by the axis of estrogen after which the way you look, proper?
So, for instance, I discussed when you may have an excessive amount of fats saved within the thighs, within the hips and the butt. And ladies who simply can’t lose that weight regardless of how a lot they train, proper? That’s extremely estrogenic. So evaluate that to girls who’ve a variety of fats round their retailer, a variety of fats round their stomach. That tends to be a metabolic dysfunction, proper? So, like, usually excessive blood sugar ranges, excessive testosterone ranges. Girls with estrogen are typically your proverbial pear form who actually battle with their weight. And with that additionally come a variety of, like, temper swings, particularly when you have temper swings and migraines, it’s correlated along with your interval. It may very well be extremely, very a lot attributable to estrogen dominance infertility, miscarriages, tremendous, tremendous frequent. And then you definitely’re speaking about issues like varicose veins. Like when you have a variety of varicose veins round in your face, in your legs, proper, slightly tiny cherry moles and that you simply may discover across the physique that may be additionally attributable to estrogen dominance.
So hair loss is one other attention-grabbing one. Hair loss, more often than not, if it’s a hormonally pushed, that thyroid is the very first thing to examine. But when your thyroid is completely advantageous after which utilizing, , Dr. Izabella Wentz’s set of labs, not what your physician advised you, then you will notice that it may very well be additionally attributable to estrogen dominance. So if the estrogen dominance is attributable to low progesterone, then different signs might be issues like insomnia, having a variety of anxiousness, having reminiscence lapses, a quite common one.
In order you’ll be able to see, there’s virtually like, after I go down the record, a variety of occasions in a bunch of girls, everyone begins going like, oh yeah, that’s me. There’s virtually no girls that we all know of who wouldn’t expertise that to a point. Proper. And I used to be simply mentioning about since you requested, how have you learnt? So going by signs might be extraordinarily telling. For some girls, it’s just like the proof is within the pudding. I have to see some labs in an effort to consider that that’s the downside. The one sort of lab you don’t need to go along with is blood work, which a physician might need ordered.
And Katie, after I was in personal observe, I can not let you know what number of girls will stroll in and say, my hormones are completely advantageous. Proper. Then they present me the blood work. And it was by no means accounted for, like, the place have been you in your cycle while you did it and such. And so essentially the most dependable type of actually understanding your hormones goes to be doing DUTCH checks, which is a urine take a look at. Saliva might be a reasonably far second greatest, however that’s going to point out you much more correct numbers of the place you might be along with your estrogen progesterone and the way you’re breaking down estrogen.
Katie: That is sensible. Nevertheless it does sound like for ladies, the place the price can be a motive they couldn’t do a variety of lab testing, the signs generally is a actually good perception. And I do know that lots of the belongings you advisable in that episode are additionally simply usually supportive of excellent well being, so they might be protected to attempt even when an individual wasn’t going to go get full lab testing. Like, your whole recommendation in there was so stable that I really feel like in case you even suspect you may have these issues, perhaps begin there with the foundational issues earlier than you begin spending some huge cash on testing and get these foundational issues in place. After which if it’s essential to, then discover a practitioner, do testing and work with them. Nevertheless it looks as if there’s a lot that’s inside our management if we begin listening to our personal our bodies.
Magdalena: Precisely. And most of the people, most individuals, , I might say, like, don’t ignore your signs as a result of a variety of occasions you’d be like, my mother had at all times lumpy breasts and have issues along with her gall bladder. I forgot about gallbladder is one other one. When you may have power issues along with your gall bladder, it may very well be additionally due to estrogen dominance. Thyroid nodules is one other one. Proper. After which the most important one which I forgot to say is estrogenic most cancers. So breast most cancers, ovarian most cancers, uterine most cancers, lung most cancers in non-smokers. And most of them are estrogenic cancers. So most girls who’re like, who’ve points with estrogen dominance is usually not one symptom. It usually is a bunch of signs anyway for each good motive simply to not ignore it. For certain.
Katie: That is sensible. And it traces up with I had Dr. Thomas Seyfried on the podcast speaking concerning the most cancers, the metabolic illness hyperlink and the way there’s like, a metabolic part there in a variety of cancers, which is sensible with these as nicely, that estrogen might come into play in a metabolic manner as a result of we all know from that first episode how a lot it impacts so many techniques throughout the physique.
And also you additionally talked about the lymphatic facet. And I really feel like this facet just isn’t talked about hardly in any respect. And I’m excited to be taught from you on this. The extent of my data and anecdotal expertise right here is studying that, as an illustration, like, actually tight restrictive clothes isn’t ultimate long run. And so I kind of switched away from that and into non-restrictive, non-underwire. And I seen I truly noticed adjustments in my breast. They have been perkier with out the help. However that’s concerning the extent of my private expertise. So perhaps clarify to us from the lymphatic facet what’s occurring and the way to optimize there.
Magdalena: Yeah. In order we all know, the lymphatic system is all about getting the trash out of the physique, proper? And look, even simply by you sitting on a chair proper now doing this, that is already shifting your lymphatic system. Let me simply stand up and present you one thing else. We’re standing within the line for purchasing and stuff and also you’re like, standing and ready. As a substitute of simply going from one leg to a different, all it’s a must to do is simply rise up in your tiptoes and simply do that and simply drop. Proper? It’s an effective way of simply activating the lymphatic system. And also you don’t need to have a rebounder. I imply, when you have a rebounder, gosh, that’s wonderful. That’s already one other step in that path.
Now, for some girls, simply doing an general lymphatic drainage like that or going and getting, for instance, a lymphatic drainage therapeutic massage generally is a fantastic manner of opening every little thing up. And like, after surgical procedures, like when you may have a variety of swelling in numerous components of the physique, I imply, this actually will get every little thing going. However for some girls, that’s simply not sufficient. And so there’s a technique that I’ve realized from a physician in Maryland, Dr. Rind, who invented this methodology and reveals how massaging your breast by way of a thermogram. He’ll do this earlier than and after in a thermogram, proper? It would present a variety of redness and a variety of oranges, orange fee, which is like extremely infected breast, so long as it’s not most cancers or it’s not one thing severe. But when it’s simply purely irritation simply by massaging your breast, how a lot of that reduction occurs? And doing the scan yet another time after, and it checks every little thing returns to being inexperienced, which is the wholesome colour of a tissue we must always have within the breast, proper? So generally for some girls, paying slightly little bit of consideration to massaging your breast might be actually useful. And I’ll present you the strategy after which let’s discuss additionally about what sort of oils and herbs you are able to do too, you’ll be able to infuse it your self. You may get it from on-line, you will get it from us, no matter is your alternative simply to even amplify the therapeutic massage impact even additional. Would you like me to begin with the therapeutic massage?
Katie: Yeah, let’s begin there.
Magdalena: Okay. So I’m going to clarify it like as if a few of you might be watching us on-line. A few of them you’ll be able to see the video, others, you’re simply listening to it. So I’ll do it in a manner that everyone will profit from that. So the concept is that you could therapeutic massage your breast. You are able to do that very first thing within the morning. You are able to do it when you’re having a shower. It doesn’t actually matter. The concept is that you simply put your so I’m lifting up my left hand. I’m placing it behind my head. In case you have an issue along with your shoulder and you may’t elevate it, simply elevate your hand as far up as you’ll be able to, proper? And in case you do this, consider your clavicle space. That is going to be your exit website. That is the place we’re going to be massaging the breast in order that we would like all of the gunk to be going out that manner. All proper?
The place we’re going to begin is from the nipple. I’m pointing at 12:00 and I’m utilizing my proper hand and I’m utilizing the three fingers from my pointing finger to my ring finger. After which 12:00 from the nipple. And gently you need to therapeutic massage your breast up in the direction of the clavicle, proper? After which we’re going to maneuver on to 11:00. We do precisely the identical factor. Now by way of strain, think about like if below your pores and skin you simply had an entire bunch of honey and also you need to transfer that honey up, proper? So it’s not too laborious, nevertheless it’s not too comfortable both. So simply think about it’s the honey.
After which we’re going to, after which I’m shifting over to 09:00, proper? And so forth and so forth. If you come all the way down to the underside of your of your nipple, you need to go down the breast after which convey it up over to the opposite facet. So I’m like nearer to your armpit after which once more in the direction of the clavicle, proper? And then you definitely proceed doing that. It actually ought to take you about two minutes to complete massaging your breast. You do precisely the identical factor along with your proper hand up, utilizing your left palm to therapeutic massage your breast. You are able to do that in case you immediately develop ache and also you need to do it shortly. You are able to do it over the garments, simply the best way I did it.
Some girls like to do it within the bathe, so I personally don’t. However you’ll be able to completely nicely do it in bathe since you are good and slippery. Every part is shifting. Ensure you’re utilizing some good clear cleaning soap, like castile cleaning soap, and nothing artificial, proper? That is like one space you undoubtedly need to be placing all these horrible chemical compounds on. However my favourite is to essentially use particular oils to essentially not simply therapeutic massage the breast, but additionally give the breast like some further diet and motion.
So a few choices right here is, let me begin off with the primary oil, and that’s oil that’s infused with poke root. Poke root has been utilized in natural drugs for generations. And a variety of sensible girls and midwives will use it for mastalgia, for mastitis, proper? So irritation or an infection on the breast. It’s an exquisite herb. It’s a kind of herbs that in case you go to PubMed, there isn’t any a lot analysis on it in any respect, proper? However on the similar time, we additionally didn’t have a lot analysis about meditation or yoga 20 years in the past. And now everyone is like, simply because we are able to put any person into an MRI and present what’s occurring now it’s a legit intervention, proper, or help for well being. So don’t dismiss poke root. It’s been used for generations and girls had unimaginable outcomes with poke root.
For these of you who’re within the south, you may know poke salad, proper? And so it’s truly type of poisonous until you wash it many occasions. However that is the basis of the plant that will get excavated in fall and that’s when it’s at its prime and it’s bought a variety of vitamins in it. After which we infuse it into an oil. So in case you simply go on on-line, there’s movies that present you the way to try this. You too can use dried poke root so you will get it from like Mountain Rose after which infuse it your self in an oil for like 24 hours at a low temperature, proper? That’s already a extremely nice acquire that manner. If you’re fortunate sufficient to have recent root on this fall, then go in to get out and simply do it your self. It looks like very particular while you do this.
So poke root has bought unimaginable anti-inflammatory actions. And poke by some means, herbs have this intelligence of actually having unimaginable affinity in the direction of a variety of occasions in the direction of particular organs. In relation to poke root, it’s particularly a reproductive organs that poke actually works laborious on. And so you’ll be able to even use the identical oil. In the event you’re having horrible PMS, you may go have fibroids. In actual fact, I’m engaged on a fibroid method now, and we’re going to be utilizing poke as nicely for decreasing fibroids. And so in case you’re having very heavy bleeding, proper, it’s an exquisite herb simply to use in your stomach. You possibly can infuse it into any type of oil. However there’s sunflower oil, olive oil, doesn’t actually matter so long as it’s not, a pleasant natural oil, proper? And also you therapeutic massage it precisely the best way I described. And when you have no time, no massive deal in any respect, simply seize slightly bit, a tablespoon or so on every breast, put it on. The one factor with oil that takes time to soak up, proper. So that you may have to let it sit there for a couple of minutes earlier than you wipe it off and you place in your garments on and begin the day.
One other oil that’s wonderful and lots of of you might need it truly in your kitchen, and you can begin it tomorrow, is when you have night primrose oil that’s bought gamolenic acid in it, proper. It is available in a capsule. It’s at all times clearly oil primarily based, proper? And so all it’s a must to do is simply poke the capsule with a knife, open it up. You may want a capsule on all sides. And that’s one other one. The gamolenic acid works wonders on the prostaglandins which can be inflammatory prostaglandins. So it calms down the ache by engaged on the inflammatory prostaglandins. After which it upregulates the protecting ache killing prostaglandins. That’s fairly wonderful oil as nicely.
Yet another factor I need to point out is, talking of exterior utility, is utilizing St. John’s Wort. So let’s not freak out. St. John’s Wort taken internally can intervene with a variety of medicines. That’s true. And the type of can also be goes to say, like how highly effective natural drugs might be, proper, that it will probably intervene along with your SSRIs and an entire host of various, so I’m not speaking right here about inner utility. We’re speaking about exterior utility, which won’t intervene with any medicine you’re taking. And so infusing St. John’s Wort, which is a complete weed, you may have handed by it many occasions, most likely on a lot of your walks and hikes. You possibly can once more, similar factor. You should buy it from an natural retailer and infuse it your self.
And there’s one thing so magical about St. John’s Wort, particularly together with poke root. It simply virtually looks like your entire breast simply go, thank goodness, after which every little thing simply calms down. St. John’s Wort can also be the sunshine herb, proper? It grows in very sunny, shiny areas, and so it type of creates the sense of lightness and reduction of the breast. I can’t let you know, Katie, how spectacular it’s, particularly while you apply it. We have been engaged on the cream method. We have been doing one cream at a time or one oil at a time, one herb at a time, simply to see it’s efficacy, proper? It’s simply so fantastic simply to see how efficient it may be. So the cream factor, it offers you want a fast reduction, proper? And you are able to do this each day and let the ache subside. You may notice that after one month of doing that, while you open up your lymphatic system, you may have these herbs which can be actually engaged on the irritation within the breast. You may discover truly a variety of reduction and also you don’t want to make use of the cream anymore.
The factor that now we have discovered is that in case you don’t tackle the basis explanation for the issue, it is going to come again. So two months later, three months later, your breast is perhaps like, the lump may come again. One actually intelligent factor to do is to give attention to actually cleansing up your weight-reduction plan. So entering into an anti-inflammatory weight-reduction plan, eliminating the gluten, dairy, decreasing sugar, caffeine, there are research even displaying how caffeine contributes in the direction of fibrocystic breast. You talked about magnesium. Upping your magnesium to a degree that you’ve unfastened bowel after which again off as a result of that’s, , any person who has bought enough magnesium ranges may solely have to take perhaps 200 – 300 milligrams of magnesium. Any individual who’s actually poor may have to take as a lot as 1400 earlier than she will get a bowel motion, proper, or lose stool since you’re so depleted.
So your breasts love magnesium. Magnesium goes to assist your liver tremendously in breaking out estrogen. In order that’s going to be large assist. But in addition, let’s not neglect the three dietary supplements that I really like in our observe that you could introduce to essentially assist your physique break estrogens in a constructive manner is utilizing DIM, utilizing sulforaphane, proper, and utilizing calcium D-glucarate. In actual fact, let me share with you, like, a brilliant fast story as a result of lots of people learn about DIM. DIM has been like, given the title of the being the estrogen buster, proper?
So everyone’s like, oh, I’m going to take DIM after I’ve bought breast issues, proper? And docs who don’t actually perceive the total story behind how estrogens get damaged down will put sufferers on DIM. After which a variety of occasions girls really feel a profit, like for the primary two, three weeks, perhaps a month. After which after that, they type of begin getting adverse outcomes they usually really feel just like the breasts are getting worse, the interval is getting worse, the moods are actually compromised.
And so the rationale when it occurs is as a result of estrogen will get metabolized in three phases. The primary two are within the liver. The third one is mainly pooping it out. So your digestion must be pretty nicely working, proper? So that you’re eliminating issues. However let’s begin off with the liver. So you may have part one liver detoxing. Part two liver detoxing. DIM upregulates the primary one. So by taking DIM, you simply open up the flood gates and then you definitely’re simply passing on this flood over to part two. But when part two just isn’t supported correctly with the correct binders, proper, and vitamins, that’s when a variety of the signs begin arising, when girls begin feeling horrible. So in an effort to help part two, you may have a look at further issues like sulforaphane, which helps with the sulfation pathway, and calcium D-glucarate, which could be very underestimated, however finish could be very highly effective.
I’m going to provide you a brilliant fast story. I’ve a girlfriend who’s an herbalist right here in Colorado. She’s additionally an enormous sportsman. She’s a skier and a climber. And so out of like two weeks out of a month, her breasts can be so engorged. She’s going to go from cup A to cup D, actually. It could be so engorged. There’s simply no manner of doing any sports activities. Doesn’t need to be intimate. Horrible temper. Proper? And since she additionally has a few autoimmune illnesses, so she’s bought her weight-reduction plan dialed in. You realize, she’s doing AIP. She’s, like, religiously avoiding gluten and dairy and all that stuff, proper? Approach past that as nicely. And he or she’s gone to so many various docs attempting to determine what’s inflicting that enlargement of her breast, and she or he couldn’t discover solutions. And it was actually we went on a hike, and I used to be simply, like, very casually going like, what about calcium D-glucarate? And he or she’s like, calcium what? And it’s not the one for the bones, as a result of lots of people suppose it’s for the bones. It’s not. It’s the glucuronic acid that it simply occurs to be hooked up to the calcium molecule. And he or she’s like, no, I’ve by no means heard of them. She’s been on NAC and rose vascular and sulfuricane. Like, tons of magnesium can do nothing, proper? Gained’t transfer the needle.
And I nonetheless have that textual content message from her. She would textual content me, like, two weeks later when it occurred once more, and she or he’s like, Dude, 4 days, and, like, my breasts are again to regular. And it was simply that one compound. It was simply that one detoxing pathway for her, the glucuronidation pathway within the liver. They simply wanted some help, wanted that binder, proper? And that’s additionally the pathway the place estrogen additionally will get metabolized, will get damaged up, proper? And so it was only one complement that actually modified her life. So it’s so fascinating, proper? Like, all of us have slightly bit totally different. So what I’m attempting to say is, supporting your physique and breaking down estrogen goes to provide the long run impact and doubtless goes to eliminate a variety of different signs you’re fighting that we talked about earlier which can be estrogen dominant.
Katie: Yeah, I’ve experimented with calcium D-glucarate slightly bit. I didn’t have something acute. I used to be simply curious to attempt it for it. However I do know folks additionally use it for mould detoxing, and it appears to essentially assist that pathway for lots of causes. In order that’s an incredible anecdotal story. And perhaps somebody who’s having the same expertise, that’s one thing they’ll attempt, that may have a extremely massive profit.
Magdalena: One other factor about calcium D-glucarate, I’m glad you type of jogs my memory additionally, do take it away out of your medicine. So, like, in case you take any thyroid meds, any type of SSRIs, no matter meds, as a result of in case you had a scenario the place we first launched it to our group, folks began taking it, and also you’re like, my antidepressants are now not working. You’re like, oh, yeah, 4 hours away. And that’s actually highly effective.
And in addition for individuals who have gone by way of I truly you know the way I discovered about calcium D-glucarate? It was from our colleagues who’re ER docs and so emergency room physicians, as a result of when folks get that type of therapy, they’re simply bombarded with all these, whether or not it’s antibiotics and anesthesia. I imply, there are simply a lot of medicine being pumped into the physique for an individual to outlive. However afterwards they really use, practical docs, use calcium D-glucarate to detoxify folks after being going by way of surgical procedures. In order that’s one other actually cool utility. However at all times bear in mind, 4 hours away out of your meds.
Katie: Good to know. Necessary caveat. And simply to recap, it appears like for individuals who have a rebounder, which is sort of a mini trampoline or a trampoline, that’s an incredible simply motion to work into our day. I might guess. That is additionally why one other verify within the field for why strolling is nice, since you’re getting that very same kind of motion and we’re simply not strolling very a lot in at the moment’s world, sadly. Similar factor with vibration plates. Something that’s inflicting that lymphatic motion, which doesn’t need to be working, it doesn’t need to be excessive depth train, it looks as if these light actions are literally higher.
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And I really like the lymphatic facet as nicely as a result of I really feel like this has turn into so stylish for folks doing lymphatic therapeutic massage on their face and the way drastically their face appears in a different way after they begin actually incorporating that. So it is sensible that it might be helpful right here as nicely. I simply really feel like no one’s speaking about this aside from you. So I really like that we bought to have that dialog. And it looks as if additionally a really low danger, doubtlessly excessive reward factor that girls can simply add to their routine that might have some actually profound useful results.
And I really like additionally that you simply introduced up the herbs that can be utilized as a result of I see folks speaking about like, rosemary oil and head lymphatic therapeutic massage and hair development. And I really like any time we are able to use these herbs that looks as if our ancestors have recognized for such a very long time. It’s humorous after they go TikTok stylish, nevertheless it’s like our grandparents and nice grandparents have recognized this eternally. And I really like that we’re lastly getting again to a few of this knowledge.
Magdalena: Yeah, completely.
Katie: Additionally, it’s like slightly little bit of a deviation, however I’m guessing we’re going to get questions on it since you talked about the phrases each mammograms and thermography. And I might love so that you can simply share your opinion on these. And if both of these is efficacious in sure methods for maintaining a tally of issues like this, or if girls who simply need to have a baseline of breast well being to ensure issues are good, what is an effective method to go about that testing?
Magdalena: Yeah, that’s such an vital query, proper? I’m an enormous fan of to begin with, let me simply say this as a result of these wars between no mammogram, no thermogram, right here’s an attention-grabbing factor. There are apples and oranges. It’s not interchangeable. They’ve a very totally different function. Proper? So in case you’re proactive about your breast well being as a result of by the best way, your thermogram you are able to do all of it the best way out of your chin all the way down to your stomach. And it’s not simply the breast, so any irritation goes to get picked up, together with thyroid points, together with something in your stomach. So thermography out of thermography from a perspective of prevention, proper? As a result of it is going to present you adjustments within the colour manner earlier than it turns into an issue and the place a mammogram goes to point out you when the issue is already there, proper? So a really totally different utility. It’s not one or the opposite. To me, a mammogram, it’s like doing a mammogram. It’s like, nicely, you have already got an issue. What have you ever finished about it to forestall it within the first place, proper?
And that’s the place thermography is available in. If I had a high-suspect lump on my breast, proper? And given the historical past of my household, which is I’ve a variety of estrogenic cancers and demise in my household on each side, proper? So I’m very primed on being in bother. So I’ve to look at this stuff. If I had a lump that wasn’t going away and was displaying sure signs that that is one thing isn’t proper, I’ll undoubtedly go and get a mammogram finished. However all this time until now, I’ve been doing thermography and right here’s the factor, I simply need to additionally a few issues folks have to learn about thermography. And I apologize in case you already coated that in your podcast, however not all thermography is identical. So in case you go into a spot that does Botox and enhancements and this and that’s extra of a magnificence heart. And in addition, by the best way, you will get a thermography finished, most probably, it’s not going to be a really credible place. So that you’re going to choose a thermography place the place I can not bear in mind the decision proper now, but when people go on my web site, hormonesbalance.com, there’s a thermography. There’s an entire interview I did with a physician who’s a thermography DO osteopath. The decision is that you could name forward of time and ask them what’s the type of decision they’re utilizing.
One lifeless giveaway is that you simply need to have colour, however you additionally need to have black and white distinction. And that’s one thing that low-cost locations that aren’t severe about it, use inferior high quality cameras wouldn’t provide the black and white. The black and white, by the best way, Katie, is fascinating as a result of after I labored with Dr. Rind to simply to get a extremely higher understanding of thermography, he was displaying me photos of any person who had espresso. He referred to as it the espresso take a look at. Had a cup of espresso after which had a tomogram finished, thermography finished in black and white. And he or she seemed like a panther. She seemed like a tiger, quite like patches in all places, proper? And that’s one of many indicators that you simply truly estrogen dominant. After which he waited for a few hours, he shot that once more, and the physique was now clear. So it’s actually fascinating how caffeine for instance generally is a massive contributing issue. So high quality decision issues. Who’s the practitioner, who’s doing an interpretation is de facto vital. The particular person is de facto educated. So you actually are getting a stable studying after which you’ll be able to actually belief it. I believe that a part of the rationale why there’s criticism of thermography of lacking issues and being kind of a pseudoscience and stuff is as a result of it’s finished by, like I stated, like Botox facilities they usually simply don’t have the best expertise for it and the best folks to interpret the outcomes.
Katie: Crucial to know. And I’m curious, you talked about a number of the herbs together with the lymphatic drainage and calcium d-gluconate as a complement. Are there another good normal dietary or complement rules that girls can know which can be both simply usually protecting or acutely useful in the event that they’re having a problem?
Magdalena: Yeah, undoubtedly. One of many massive issues is your hydration, proper? It’s an enormous factor that your lymphatic system wants that as a result of it’s like actually like your Venice of your physique. There may be a few herbs additionally. One is clovers, sorry, cleavers is one in all them. Actually fantastic one. They don’t style horrible in any respect. In summer season you learn to get them. You too can purchase dried cleavers after which do a tea that’s your typical lymphatic tea. One of many girls in our group had a double mastectomy preventatively and she or he had a lot swelling round her breast she began ingesting cleaver tea and a variety of the lymphatic drainage began occurring proper after that.
What we’re utilizing in my observe and in our dietary supplements that particularly for breast well being and lymphatic is pink root, which is a slight it really works within the liver, nevertheless it is also a really light lymphatic mover. So pink root is one other it’s also possible to have a look at into getting a tincture if that is a matter and it’s additionally not, neglect that particularly like when you have a variety of issues, let’s say after surgical procedure or girls who simply have a variety of points with their breasts and issues nonetheless aren’t shifting. Doing castor oil packs in your breast are only a fantastic manner of shifting the lymphatic system there as nicely. So yeah, so simply so , simply easy options. Water, tackle your estrogen dominance, pink roots, cleavers and castor oil packs.
Katie: Yeah. And I’ll be sure we hyperlink to your web site as a result of I do know you may have many extra sources alongside these traces as nicely. However I really feel like these are all simply actually useful instruments for ladies to know. And I additionally at all times encourage girls to return to the foundational fundamentals too. And I do know we’ve talked about these, no less than in particular person, if not on the report earlier than, however the free issues which can be foundational habits. I’m so glad you talked about hydration. I’ve truly had a number of podcasts within the final two weeks the place they talked concerning the significance of hydration from {an electrical} standpoint of the physique and the way the physique is electrical and with out hydration and electrolytes, it doesn’t operate correctly and on the mobile stage and detoxing and lymphatic and sleep and the way intricately all these issues are linked.
And so I at all times encourage folks at all times begin off with the foundational. Get morning daylight for the sake of your hormones and your sleep cycle, get sufficient water and electrolytes in your weight-reduction plan, attempt to optimize your sleep after which the rest you do as well as, it’s going to be a lot simpler since you’re supporting these pure issues within the physique. I additionally know we might have led with this, however I do know you even have a private story with breast points, and I might love in case you would discuss slightly of your private expertise and in addition inform everyone about Glad Sisters and what that’s.
Magdalena: Yeah, let me put it this fashion. We at all times bear in mind, I believe a variety of girls bear in mind discovering their very own breast lump, proper. Simply the best way we bear in mind, like, when 9/11 occurred, precisely the place you have been, proper? When Princess Diana, in case you observe the entire royal factor, when she died, while you heard about it, most individuals bear in mind precisely the time and place and what it felt like, proper, and I really feel like for ladies, it’s the identical factor. It’s like while you discover your breast lump for the primary time, it’s terrifying, proper, as a result of then it’s like the entire you go on the entire spin of, is it most cancers? How do I get it recognized? And then you definitely get the entire diagnostic choices it’s essential to make. In the event you name the hospital and your common doc, they’ll make you sound like, in case you don’t get a mammogram tomorrow, you’re going to die in a few weeks, proper, and the strain is on.
After which for some girls, like, for me, too, there was like an enormous factor of guilt, of like, oh, is it all of the all of the smoking that I did and all of the no matter silly issues that I used to be doing after I was youthful and disgrace and was like, what’s unsuitable with me? And I’m caring for myself, and right here I’m. So it’s a vastly emotional affair for a lady to seek out one thing on her breast, proper? And now we have thought to one of many issues that I believe is such a disconnect is like, the one time we learn to contact our breast is to search for bother, proper? It’s wish to search for that lump if I’ve one. However we’ve by no means finished something to type of, like, do one thing since you go for a therapeutic massage to really feel good, proper. You don’t go for a therapeutic massage as a result of you have already got an issue for many of us. So why not simply learn to therapeutic massage your breasts as a type of supply of enjoyment, but additionally as a supply of prevention and love that you simply’re giving the one organ that’s simply so vital for us as girls. So for me, there’s at all times been an enormous it’s a really fear-based, it was, I ought to say, a worry primarily based dialog round lumpy breasts, discovering a lump on the breast or something, estrogenic, , as a result of each my aunts on each side of my household have handed away from my aunt simply handed away six months in the past from uterine most cancers. On my mom’s facet, it was all about breast cancers, proper?
And so it seems when I’ve my DNA genetic testing finished, they’re like, oh, yeah, you might be actually unhealthy estrogen metabolizer. And that type of explains if I used to be to go to Italy or Spain or Portugal and spend, like, a few weeks to a few weeks, I’m not going to lie. I’m simply going to be like, okay, I’m going to have extra wine. I’m going to have some actually nice espresso, and there’s tiramisu right here and there. And immediately issues begin coming into my life that I usually don’t do. I find yourself with the worst interval, proper? After which I find yourself with lumpy breasts and lumps on my breast, proper? For me, it’s at all times been a really fear-based matter till I began doing a variety of issues round it. And now I’ve this factor the place it’s like, okay, I’ve coated a variety of my bases. Possibly not every little thing, however a variety of my bases, and I’m doing what I can to reduce the chance. And so now it’s extra coming from a spot of empowerment and confidence quite than be if I discover one thing, one thing immediately hurts.
I haven’t discovered a lump, truly, in years, however I had a capturing ache right here the opposite day, and I used to be identical to, there’s a second of worry, proper, and paralysis, however then I simply do what I have to do. Issues like apply magnesium, apply the oils that now we have, apply Glad Sisters, the cream that we formulated. And it’s identical to every little thing simply comes down within the again to. So I believe it’s simply actually shifting from a spot of worry to shifting to a spot of empowerment. It’s like, as a substitute of fearing, I really feel like worry might be actually nice, and anger generally is a actually good power to push us ahead, to take sure actions and steps, proper? So long as we don’t keep in a spot of anger and worry for a very long time. For me, that was the rationale why we formulated Glad Sisters. So I can take it, and a variety of different girls can take it. So that you don’t hear your self say, oh, yeah, my mother died of breast most cancers. My sister has misplaced her uterus. Proper. My aunt doesn’t have a gall bladder, they usually’re additionally estrogenic, and it runs within the household. It doesn’t run within the household. You’re simply predisposed to it, proper? However there’s so many issues you are able to do with the approach to life adjustments after which including a few issues on high of that’s prevention. And also you’re going to be in a extremely good place, together with simply feeling actually good about your self and your selections.
Katie: Yeah. And I believe that recommendation ripples out into each facet of well being and towards our mindset, actually, in that, such as you stated, these might be nice motivators. But in addition if we are able to then transfer past that and are available from a spot of self love and respect for our our bodies and love for our our bodies, we see this even with girls within the weight-reduction plan tradition. Like if we are able to break that that deprivation or that worry mindset on the subject of any facet of our our bodies, whether or not it’s what we eat or how we’re caring for them and shifting to that place of affection, it’s simply going to be a way more highly effective response in our physique as nicely. And it’s coming from a more healthy place. But in addition, these generally is a good motivator, they usually aren’t unhealthy in and of themselves. It’s identical to you stated, not getting caught there both.
Magdalena: Yeah. Simply shifting on to it. And for me, shifting ahead with this was formulating, such as you talked about, Glad Sisters. That’s mainly a equipment that incorporates a complement. And it’s bought the cream. So let me simply discuss concerning the cream. One of many cool issues concerning the cream is that it took us the longest time to formulate it. And , Katie, since you formulate your personal merchandise, this generally is a two 12 months course of generally it’s bought this good pinkish colour hue to it.
And the cool factor about it’s that one in all my largest briefs for the formulator is to have all this, like, now we have castor oil in right here and all of the herbs that I talked about, now we have GLA for gamalinic acid. We don’t use India primrose oil, however we use one other one from borracho seed, which is even higher for GLA. And St. John’s Wort, and Nigella sativa, which is black cumin oil in right here. Proper. So just a few actually fantastic and it smells divine. And one of many danger was that it has to soak up inside lower than 5 minutes. So the entire function was that you simply put it on and if you wish to fall asleep, you’re not going to be like having oil throughout or in case you have been off to begin your day, you’ll be able to placed on the bra. In actual fact, after I’m touching this now, it’s virtually gone. After which you may put in your bra after which begin the day actually shortly.
And the complement, when the complement was formulated, subsequently, it incorporates all DIM, sulforaphane, calcium D-glucarate, has bought tons of magnesium. It’s bought pink root to maneuver your lymphatic system. It’s bought andrographis right here as nicely. We have now discovered that andrographis truly lets you break estrogens as nicely. It’s bought pink clover, which is girls’s tonic. It additionally helps with estrogen. So fast reduction from a cream. And for the complement is simply, like, extra of tackle the basis explanation for the difficulty in order that it helps your physique metabolize estrogen higher. And it does include, like, slightly spendy. So it’s like slightly tent. You possibly can put this collectively, put it on the toilet, on the stands so you’ll be able to learn to therapeutic massage your breast. You do that three or 4 occasions and you may throw this away, proper, or present it to somebody. Yeah. After which it comes with this cool booklet in order that tells you what each herb is and why we used it. I simply need to present you one graphic as a result of I believe it’s type of, my group got here up with this concept. It’s bought all types of various boobs, and it says right here, we’ve made Glad Sisters for all types of sisters.
Katie: I really like that. And I’ll be sure these are linked within the present notes as nicely. For all of you guys listening on the go, every little thing together with the notes I’ve been taking are at wellnessmama.fm. You’ll find it there in case you are strolling, exercising, or driving when you’re listening. And a few final questions I’d like to ask on the finish of interviews. The primary being if there’s a guide or variety of books which have profoundly impacted your life, and in that case, what they’re and why.
Magdalena: Yeah, gosh, I ought to have ready higher for this. I forgot to organize for this one, to be completely sincere with you. I believe there was one which it was truly, unusually sufficient,
it’s a enterprise guide that I learn in my early 20s, however by some means had an impression on me until at the moment. And it’s referred to as, “What They Don’t Educate You at a Harvard Enterprise College”. And one of many issues that it was written by a man who mainly created the entire sports activities advertising and marketing factor. However the level of it was that I believe one of many issues that resonated with me and stayed with me eternally is what he stated, that luck doesn’t occur. And I really feel like with well being, it’s like most of us, until you may have, like, tremendous sturdy genes and stuff and nothing will contact you, the entire level was that luck doesn’t occur. You create luck for your self.
And the rationale why he stated that’s as a result of it’s such as you listening to this podcast, proper, or following Katie’s work or going to some type of a girls’s gathering, such as you’re exposing your self to extra data and alternatives to essentially assist your self. And this actually applies to something in life, proper? Since you go on the market and also you community with folks and you might be pleasant in the direction of folks and also you’re serving to different folks and also you’re type, proper? After which immediately folks come to you they usually think about, like, you lose your job and immediately all these alternatives present up. Proper. And it doesn’t come from wherever. It simply comes from the truth that we actually create these alternatives for ourselves and we find yourself saying it was simply luck. The reality is that we truly set all of it up. In order that was at all times one thing that stayed with me.
Katie: I really like that. And alongside that line of pondering, is any parting recommendation for the listeners at the moment that may very well be associated to every little thing we’ve talked about or simply completely unrelated life recommendation?
Magdalena: Yeah. So I might say your breast that’s talking, in case your breasts are in ache, they’re swollen, you’ve bought a historical past of lumps. Take heed to that. It’s like your breast is saying to you, I would like your assist. We’d like your assist, your sisters want your assist, and do one thing about it. And the probabilities are usually not solely your breasts are going to really feel higher, however a variety of different issues in your life that’s going to begin feeling so significantly better.
Katie: Superior. Effectively, Magdalena, thanks a lot on your time at the moment. I do know I realized loads. I’m excited to maintain attempting your merchandise and to implement a few of these issues that we talked about at the moment. And I’m guessing a lot of girls listening are taking notes and in addition going to do the identical. So thanks a lot for being right here.
Magdalena: I thanks a lot for simply creating a lot consciousness about this situation that’s not that’s so frequent, nevertheless it’s not regular.
Katie: Sure, to loop proper again to the start. Widespread however not regular. And thanks for working to vary it. And thanks, as at all times, to all of you for listening and sharing your most respected sources, your time, your power and your consideration with us at the moment. We’re each so grateful that you simply did and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.
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